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Gallimaufry of June enhancements 14 replies

Chris Hynes
Jul 11, 2017 11:26 PM
OR Team Member Joined Oct, 2012 1404 posts

Yep, clicks on the property name, photo, or details button are all supposed to link in. That uses the Property URL you've set on the property. Fixed one link that was only showing at a certain size, going to blocked by popup blockers, so it should work now.

It'll also pick up the property Short Description, beds/baths you set in the amenities section, and a few highlight amenities like pets, internet, firewood, mountain, forest, waterview, waterfront. I need to write an article about how all that works for this one -- the other widgets are pretty self explanatory but the search picks up stuff from many different areas.

Adding more buttons is something we will be doing for sure, but as you know we like to start small, see what the different use cases are, and then iterate from there. At a minimum, we need some hard coded buttons for Inquiry or Book, with the availability to specify or template urls or hash links.

Eventually the buttons will end up looking something like the list in our hosted websites design. The list itself is very similar to what we did there. For example: http://www.shenrent.com/

Gallimaufry of June enhancements 14 replies

Marina's Edge Re
Jul 11, 2017 4:08 PM
Joined Oct, 2012 206 posts

Are the hyperlinks supposed to work in the availability search? When I click on the property name nothing comes up but when I click on the details it brings me to the website.

Also, is it possible to have a "book now" or "inquire now" button as part of the multi-property availability search?

Gallimaufry of June enhancements 14 replies

BlueMtnCabins
Jul 11, 2017 3:27 PM
Joined Jun, 2016 1185 posts

Yes like that but I envisioned something with those little mini icons you have used instead of bullets to make it more visual maybe? Like a little hot tub icon you have next to the words "hot tub" etc

Gallimaufry of June enhancements 14 replies

Chris Hynes
Jul 11, 2017 3:21 PM
OR Team Member Joined Oct, 2012 1404 posts

Grace period is over in the door lock section in settings, but it sounds like you already found that!

Availability search has been requested for so long! I'm glad we got this in, and we'll continue to enhance it over time by adding more filters you can turn on -- guest count, etc.

The channel rate adjustment is only for TripAdvisor and CanadaStays right now. If you hook up the channels, we can update listing data, rates etc, and import bookings -- and we added the option to increase or decrease rates when you update those channels so you can up the rates to balance out booking fees etc. Right now, I think TA is still only allowing 5+ properties to use that, though :-/ We're working on opening up more channels.

An amenities list widget is a great idea. We've already got that display in our hosted websites, for example: http://www.shenrent.com/autumn-ridge#amenities -- so we could make something like that available as a widget.

Gallimaufry of June enhancements 14 replies

BlueMtnCabins
Jul 11, 2017 11:35 AM
Joined Jun, 2016 1185 posts

found it, LOVE the availability search.
A suggestions: widget displaying popular amenities in a form of icons with descriptions possibly that can be embedded in the website. Such as Firepit (icon for fire), grill (icon for grill), Hot Tub (icon for hot tub), pool table (icon for pool table), arcade (icon for arcade) etc. You already have it almost there on "availability search" but I 'd like to have it on property website so it is more 'visual" - inquirers can see icons/brief descriptions in a form of table or bullet list ion the website. See example on my www.smoky-mountains-cabin.com/Appalachianescape "amenities" bullet list .

Gallimaufry of June enhancements 14 replies

BlueMtnCabins
Jul 11, 2017 11:23 AM
Joined Jun, 2016 1185 posts

and where do i set grace time for the locks?

Gallimaufry of June enhancements 14 replies

BlueMtnCabins
Jul 11, 2017 11:13 AM
Joined Jun, 2016 1185 posts

"Rate adjustment option on channel syncs to allow increasing/decreasing rates on for each channel"
What is that?

Gallimaufry of June enhancements 14 replies

Marina's Edge Re
Jul 11, 2017 12:20 AM
Joined Oct, 2012 206 posts

Awesome! Love the multi property calendar search!

Gallimaufry of June enhancements 14 replies

Chris Hynes
Jul 10, 2017 5:59 PM
OR Team Member Joined Oct, 2012 1404 posts

We've been hard at work since our last post, running through a lot of small enhancements. We haven't added any major features, but all the little things add up.

"Gallimaufry" is one of my fun favorite words. It means a collection or hodgepodge of things with no apparent unifying theme. Comes from the name of a 16th century Middle-French meat stew where they just threw in everything :-)

Image: Steven Luu

Anyway, here's what's new across the board...

New regional listing sites

New CanadaStays full channel sync with push updates for listing data and rates and online quote/booking. Contact us to be added to the beta.

New Converge/Elavon gateway

New widget options

  • Optional simple charges on booking widget quote instead of full description. Many requests for this one.
  • Optional "From" wording on booking widget quote
  • Option on booking widget to refer to "guests" vs. adults. HT. Daniel M.
  • Translated booking widget to Spanish. If you would like another language, contact us and we can work with you on translation. HT Craig H.
  • New availability/property search widget. If you've got a lot of properties, plop this on your site and guests can winnow down to the ones available for their dates

New hosted website options

  • Option to approximate map location with a area circle instead of points and addresses
  • Customizable footer template

New functions

  • Bulk Block-off. Got a event like a wedding where you've sold on one booking but need to block off a bunch of other properties? Or doing maintenance on a bunch of properties at the same time? Go to Tools -> Bulk Block-Off and block them off all at once. HT Chantel C.
  • Email list report to dump all inquiries and bookings to a spreadsheet with info about what properties and dates they stayed for import into MailChimp, Constant Contact, etc. HT Victoria H.
  • Copy booking button to create new booking or quote -- makes it easier to add repeat guests. HT Melissa P.
  • Values view for custom field definitions section in Settings. Given one field definition, you can see the values set for all properties at once. HT Maria S.
  • Booking listing site fee tracking. We're working on reports for this, but you can start tracking now in the Charges tab of each booking.

Smaller things added everywhere

  • Grace period option to lock code generation times to give guests a configurable number of hours on each side of their check-in/check-out times. HT Debby R.
  • Rate adjustment option on channel syncs to allow increasing/decreasing rates on for each channel
  • Discount column on booking import
  • Booking ribbon background option to apply property color to heading. HT Uwe K.
  • Season and rate columns to rate tester for easier diagnosis of how rates are generated
  • Sort overlapping seasons by shortest first when choosing a season for a booking to make rate engine defaults work more intuitively
  • Enhance Airbnb calendar import filtering so pending bookings, holidays, and days in advance rules are no longer imported
  • Show net breakdown on tax and PM commission reports, show as rent surcharges with rent on line item summary report. HT Chris P.

Any questions on these, ask away!

Using multiple payment methods 4 replies

Tracy P
Jul 7, 2017 7:19 PM
Joined May, 2017 9 posts

Thank you!

Using multiple payment methods 4 replies

Chris Hynes
Jul 7, 2017 6:41 PM
OR Team Member Joined Oct, 2012 1404 posts

It looks like you've got booking confirmation enabled in the property Rules section. That turns on a mode where the credit card is stored when the guest checks out, but not processed until you approve the booking.

Unfortunately, booking confirmation doesn't work with PayPal because we don't get a credit card back from PayPal to verify, just a payment approval -- that's why it's not showing up at checkout.

Go to the property rules for each property and switch Online Bookings back to "Confirmation not required (recommended)" and you'll see PayPal show up on checkout.

Using multiple payment methods 4 replies

Tracy P
Jul 7, 2017 6:35 PM
Joined May, 2017 9 posts

I have both check and Paypal set up but when i go in to test a booking from my website i am only given the option for check. I cant figure this out.

Encyclopedia of Vacation Rental Smart Door Locks 8 replies

Chris Hynes
Jun 2, 2017 1:12 PM
OR Team Member Joined Oct, 2012 1404 posts

We don't support Vera yet, but that's something we're researching.

For now, use a booking custom field to track the ones you generate and merge them into the email. We'll keep you posted as we get into Vera.

Multiple PayPal accounts! Connect different PayPal accounts for different properties 0 replies

Sam Westcott
Jun 2, 2017 1:06 PM
OR Team Member Joined Dec, 2009 240 posts

Happy Friday everyone!

I wanted to take a quick second to share some exciting news!  Our Payment Methods area has gotten an overhaul and, with that, we have added the ability to connect multiple PayPal accounts.

Previously, you could only have one PayPal account connected to OwnerRez no matter how many properties you have.  Now you can connect as many PayPal accounts as you want!

To connect more PayPal accounts, go to Settings > Payment Methods and just click the button!

It will take you to a PayPal login page where you can authorize OwnerRez to transact on your behalf using whatever PayPal account you logged in with.  If you already connected that PayPal account previously, OwnerRez will refresh what was there already.

And make sure to check out the Payment Methods area to see the facelift it got!  We've made the pages easier to use, added test buttons and more.

Encyclopedia of Vacation Rental Smart Door Locks 8 replies

Melissa P
Jun 1, 2017 1:26 PM
Joined Feb, 2017 5 posts

I just installed the Vera system. I believe the lock is by Yale. Can I automatically have codes issued?

Encyclopedia of Vacation Rental Smart Door Locks 8 replies

Chris Hynes
May 30, 2017 8:20 PM
OR Team Member Joined Oct, 2012 1404 posts

We've released 3 lock integrations in the last month or so – eRentalLock, ResortLock, and RemoteLock.

After those releases, we started looking at the rest of the lock market to see what other smart lock systems we should consider adding to OwnerRez. There are so many different types and brands of locks there are nowadays with all sorts of features, pros, cons. Some can be connected to via API and are a possibility for OwnerRez integration, some are totally disconnected or only accessible through their own phone app, and some are in the middle between the two and can act disconnected or be integrated via a bridge/hub device.

Based on all of that research, I decided to write up this post to share everything we've learned so far.

WARNING: long post ahead -- 2700 words, 8 lock types, 21 locks, hubs, bridges etc. Tips and tricks are at the bottom, so if you've already got a smart lock, head down there to make the most of it :-)

I'm sure I haven't covered everything, so feel free to contact us and share your experiences or link me to a lock type I missed and I'll add it to the stack.

Old school locks

$20-$150

First off, there are offline or disconnected lock methods. There's a lot of variety even here, but they share a common theme of requiring manual programming with physical access to the lock required.

  • The oldest method: leave the key with a neighbor/realtor/under the mat/over the door/in the flowerpot. I'm not even going to get into the pros and cons here.

    Key with neighbor or realtor can work if you trust, but that's a lot of reliance on someone to physically be there.

    Key under the mat... please don't do this. Even out in the boonies where you can leave your doors unlocked, you'll find that it can cause problems. I've personally had issues with folks in the neighborhood dropping by... or the old "we just used the hot tub because nobody was there" and then having a frustrated guest and extra cleaning. Locks are to keep honest people honest.

  • Key lock box, with combination required to access the key. Basically a small key-sized safe, screwed down with heavy duty screws.

    PROS: Cheap and reliable. $20 bucks for the lock. Everybody knows how to use it. Very unlikely to break down. Easy to rekey the entire house to work on one key.

    CONS: Physical access required to program the lock, meaning the code isn't changed often. Code is shared for multiple bookings -- even if you change it every month or two it's still some level of bookings using the same code. No long term access codes for housekeeping/maintenance. No access logs. Keys can be duplicated.

  • Programmable electronic locks. These are enhanced deadbolts or latchbolts with a combination key pad. If the correct combination is entered, the door lock will open.

    PROS: Still pretty cheap and simple. $50-$150 for the lock. Multiple codes are available so you can use some for bookings and others for housekeeping/maintenance.

    CONS: Physical access required to program the lock. Now we've got batteries to worry about. Most of these last for years, though, but it's still something to log and change. Still no access logs.

Numeric Sequence locks, Algorithmic locks, time set/controlled keypack locks

$300-$500

These terms all refer to the same basic concept. This is an upgrade to programmable locks where there is a known sequence of codes pre-programmed into the lock set for different dates and times. This allows you to generate a code remotely that is only valid for the check-in/check-out dates of a booking, all without being connected to the lock.

PROS: Codes can be generated remotely, no physical access or wireless connection required. Housekeeping and maintenance can have separate long term codes or even one time use codes. Access logs can be downloaded.

CONS: Batteries. Access logs are only accessible by physical download from the lock, no remote connection. Codes are pre-defined so they can't be extended if the guest wants to stay additional days -- instead you'd have to send a new code for those days.

There are several different companies offering this type of lock:

eRentalLock

  • OwnerRez integrated
  • $279-$429
  • No monthly or other ongoing fees
  • Entry code is 10 digits. After entering the 10 digit code, the guest can program a simple 4 digit code for their stay.

ResortLock

  • OwnerRez integrated
  • $299-$449
  • No monthly or other ongoing fees
  • Entry code is 10 digits. After entering the 10 digit code, the guest can program a simple 4 digit code for their stay.

Kaba Lodging/Oracode

  • $549
  • $15 monthly fee for access to online code generation
  • No time-of-day codes
  • 6 digit code

igloohome Smart Keybox

This is a hybrid algorithmic lock and keybox. You can generate access codes remotely via the numeric sequence generator, and then those codes give access to the keybox to retrieve the key.

  • $169
  • $4.99 monthly fee for access to online code generation

Smart locks -- via WiFi, Zigbee/Z-Wave, bluetooth

$175-$500

Finally, we get to smart locks. Rather than having a pre-programmed sequence of codes, you are able to add your own codes with check-in/check-out date/time, long term access codes, or one use access codes.

There are several different varieties based on what method is used for connectivity. Some can be connected directly via WiFi and are accessible over the internet. Others can be accessed locally either via open Zigbee/Z-Wave protocols or via a proprietary bluetooth connection to a mobile app. If you want to make the local locks internet accessible and programmable remotely, you can set up a separate bridge or hub device that connects to the lock and then connects via WiFi or wired connection to an internet service.

Zigbee and Z-Wave are two similar protocols to deliver a low powered wireless mesh network for connected home automation devices. Given a device like a lock, thermostat, window sensor, light, etc. and a hub with the same technology, the hub will be able to control the devices and optionally provide an internet bridge to allow control over the internet.

For vacation rental purposes, you'll probably want to set up the bridge device so you can program codes remotely, so factor the bridge into the cost. The proprietary bluetooth locks have dedicated bridges that can only handle those devices. The open Zigbee/Z-Wave hub/bridges support many different devices in addition to locks, like thermostats, sensors, etc.

Some smart locks are now designed with only the touchpad -- no keyway! Yale Key Free, Yale Assure, Kwikset Obsidian, etc. No key removes the risk of the lock being picked or opened with a bump key... but of course there's no backup if something goes wrong.

PROS: Codes can be added remotely at any time, with any numbers you like. Many owners use the last 4 of the guest's phone number to keep it simple and memorable. Housekeeping and maintenance can have their own codes. Access logs are accessible in real time, so you can see when guests or staff have arrived and departed.

CONS: Internet connection is required to program the device. If a code is already programmed in, guests can use it if the connection goes out, but it may not be the best bet in remote areas with spotty internet. Batteries.

WiFi connected and internet accessible smart locks

RemoteLock

RemoteLock is the only lock I know of that can directly connect to your WiFi with no bridge or hub needed. This greatly simplifies setup if you only have the one lock and no other devices to connect.

  • OwnerRez integrated
  • $299-$449
  • $0.99 monthly fee for remote lock connection
  • Code is programmable from 3-10 digits.

Gate

Gate is an internet-connected, video-enabled keypad smart lock. An "all-in-one" device, Gate connects to WiFi directly, so that owners can manage access remotely using the Gate app to perform actions such as create time-bracketed pin codes for guests or view and communicate with guests at the door. The camera and two-audio are built directly into the smart lock. Gate also has a physical key backup.

  • $249-$349
  • $4.99-$7.99 monthly fee for premier service plans. There is a free plan.
  • Pin codes are 4 digits. Owners can grant temporary or recurring access via the Gate app.
  • Rechargeable lithium-ion battery life: 1-3 months, depending on usage.

Open smart locks using Zigbee/Z-Wave

These locks use either Zigbee/Z-Wave wireless mesh networking protocols to connect with a hub that will manage them. You'll need both the lock and the hub at each property, so factor in the combined cost when making comparisons.

Zigbee/Z-Wave internet bridge/hub devices

A combination of a Zigbee/Z-Wave smart lock from above with one of these internet bridge/hubs will make the lock programmable and accessible from anywhere over the internet. When figuring the total cost, add the price of the hub here with the lock from above.

If you use one of these hubs and want OwnerRez integration, let us know. We're still in the research phase for the internet bridge/hub to Zigbee/Z-Wave lock connection, so any feedback or info on your hub and its API will help us get to the end goal of integration.

Proprietary smart locks

These use their own apps and/or bluetooth rather than an open standard like Zigbee/Z-Wave. Some can be internet accessible with a separate bridge purchased from the same company versus the standard Z-Wave/Zigbee hubs that work with all open devices.

Independent locks:

Conversion kits that fit over an existing deadbolt:

Add a bridge to make one of the above locks internet connected.

What type of lock should I choose?

If you're very cost conscious, a key lock box or programmable electronic lock is going to be far cheaper than the smart locks. The question is whether it is worth it to save a couple hundred dollars versus having shared lock codes and requiring direct access to reprogram the locks. A smart lock is a one time investment, assuming you choose one without a monthly fee, so that can repay the investment quite rapidly.

When deciding between algorithmic locks and internet accessible locks, the key question is that internet accessible locks… require a solid internet connection. The price is similar between internet locks and algorithmically determined ones. If you've got intermittent connections, don't go with the internet lock. I've got several cabins in a remote mountainous location. Even though there is internet most of the time, I've gone with algorithmic locks just in case. Either way, connection isn't required for guests to access the lock once it's programmed, but I've heard many stories of devices with intermittent connections needing to be reset and causing extra work. If the connection is solid, then the internet lock will give you a bit more control -- the chance to reprogram dates on a code, viewing access logs remotely, seeing whether a lock is currently locked, and remotely locking a lock if a guest forgets to lock on departure.

One thing to consider, especially while transitioning to a smart lock and setting all of the process, is to use a smart lock for the main lock box but also have a second key lock box with a backup key. That will cut down on any service calls to help the guest with the smart lock as you can give them the code for the backup key over the phone. But that code isn't shared with everyone, only with people who have issues gaining access through the smart lock.

Tips & Tricks

  • Generate codes from your Property Management System (PMS). If you have a property management system that can connect with your lock, it can generate lock codes automatically for you. This is why we added integration for eRentalLock, ResortLock and RemoteLock to OwnerRez! The code will be stored on the booking and updated if the dates or property change. You'll set up a scheduled or triggered email to go out to the guest before arrival with the lock code mail merged into the email template. For OwnerRez, start with our guide to door lock integration support article, pick your lock type, and we'll walk you through the process step by step.
  • Use the last 4 of the phone as a code. If you're not using a PMS, but are using a smart lock that is accessible remotely, the easiest thing is to use the last 4 of the mobile phone as the code. Program that in and share it with the guest to make sure that they know which mobile phone was used if there are multiple.
  • Allow plenty of extra time on check-in/check-out. With a time based lock, it's tempting to set the allowed times as check-in and check-out. I'd recommend giving a bit of leeway on that. It's much better to have a guest a little early or late than to have to send somebody out there because the code expired or didn't work. Or you allowed early check-in or late check-out and forgot to update the code or the guest mixed up the codes. This is especially important on check-out -- if the guest leaves, forgets something and comes back and can't get in, that's a problem that could have been avoided. And again, locks are to keep honest folks honest, not to keep out somebody that really wants to get in or kick out someone that has overstayed their welcome. Personally, I allow midnight to midnight just in case.
  • Hide a spare key. The smarter the lock, the more likely it is that something will fail or that the guest won't be able to figure it out. It's a good idea to have a key around just in case. Even if you don't tell the guest where to find the key, you could have a staff member retrieve it and help the guest out.
  • Change the batteries ahead of time. Nothing worse than having a smart lock run out of juice when batteries are a buck or two to change. The best way to do this is on a schedule -- see how long the batteries last, change them with plenty of time to spare. You're probably already changing fire alarm batteries on a schedule -- at least I hope you are :-) -- so that's a good tag to add this task.
  • Check if the lock is motorized or not. Some locks have a motorized bolt, some only move the pins but the guest has to throw the bolt themselves. Motorized bolts are usually simpler for the guest -- less confusion because you can hear the lock opening. But of course, bigger motor means more electricity used, meaning you've got to change the batteries more often.
  • Do I need both the handle and deadbolt to be smart locks? Nope, you just need one lock per door to be smart. You can make the deadbolt the smart lock or make the latchbolt the smart lock. Both methods have their pros and cons.

    If you do a latchbolt lock, then the deadbolt must be left unlocked between guests. The guest can access through the knob or handle lock, and throw the deadbolt once they're inside. Most have an option to automatically lock when the door is closed, so the guest doesn't forget to lock when they leave. Of course, this also means that if the guest exists and forgets the code, the door could be locked behind them.

    If you do a deadbolt lock, it's more secure. But it doesn't have an option to auto lock on exit, so the guest could forget. If it is internet accessible, you can view the state and lock it remotely if the guest forgets (assuming they pulled the door fully shut). Make sure that the knob or handle doesn't lock automatically on exit, or the guest will lock themselves out. You might even want to get a knob without a lock or hide a knob lock nearby. I've seen instances where the guest accidentally locks the knob, then pulls the door shut and can no longer gain access without a staff trip out to unlock the knob.

Conclusion

Wow, thanks for reading all the way to the end! I learned a lot while researching for this article and I hope you learned a lot reading it.

If you know of any additional locks that could be added, or want to share what you do with your locks, more tips and tricks, etc. contact us.

New full width carousel mode added on hosted websites 1 reply

Chris Hynes
May 23, 2017 12:17 PM
OR Team Member Joined Oct, 2012 1404 posts

We've got two ways to integrate OwnerRez into your website. Either add our widgets to your existing site... or you can use our recently released hosted websites to host your site directly from OwnerRez. Both methods get you inquiry, book now (if configured), rates, availability calendars etc. directly on your site.

Since we released hosted websites a couple of months ago, we've been hard at work on improving the template and feel of the site.

We just released a big improvement on the header, with a new mode for a full width (but not full page) carousel/header unit:

At the same time, we added the capability to set your own custom carousel images (rather than using only the property thumbnails).

To apply these new settings, go into the page settings for your home page on the hosted website: 

ResortLock/RemoteLock integrations added 0 replies

Chris Hynes
May 23, 2017 12:06 PM
OR Team Member Joined Oct, 2012 1404 posts

A few weeks ago we added support for eRentalLock door locks.

We've just added support for two new types of locks -- ResortLock and RemoteLock, both by LockState. ResortLock is a number sequence lock like eRentalLock, while RemoteLock is a WiFi connected lock.

ResortLock    RemoteLock

If you have one of these locks already, they are very easy to set up. Once you've got them connected on LockState Connect, go to Settings > Door Locks in OwnerRez (under integrations) and add your account there.

We've written comprehensive support articles about both systems, with instructions on everything from code generation (manual, automatic, and bulk) to field codes and email templates:

If you don't have a lock yet, we've partnered with LockState to give you a $50 discount on ResortLock or RemoteLock smart locks! Go to the Door Locks page in your account for more information on how to access the discount.

Do you use a different lock type? Let us know in the comments and we'll add it to our list of future integrations to research.

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BlueMtnCabins
May 15, 2017 1:02 PM
Joined Jun, 2016 1185 posts

Good! I am waiting for smoky mountains are site; but our tourism bureau runs excellent site just like that - only links to listings, no meddling in payments. it ranks pretty high on google ( visitmysmokies.com)

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jfulciniti
May 15, 2017 12:47 PM
Joined Oct, 2016 29 posts

BlueMtnCabins said:

here is one more reason - dynamic fee. Even if you drop your price HA will up the fee amount to "fill in the gap"


Wow. I have an open week in June and I lowered my price a bit. They raised their fee to 10% of the total. I just checked it.

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Ella
May 15, 2017 11:30 AM
Joined May, 2014 139 posts

We are on it and will try to fight this in our local area in the Catskill Mountains NY region. In the process of building Local website at https://www.catskillgetaway.com , domain previously just used by one owner but redesigned now for owners to join and list their place. It will be only used as an advertisement venue and all the communication will happen directly between guests and owners either via email, phone or through dashboard on website. We won't be processing payments, it's too much to deal with but it should help people go back to the basics and direct communication with guests. I hope it will help. Crossing fingers! :-)
Ella

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Ella
May 15, 2017 11:28 AM
Joined May, 2014 139 posts

We are on it and will try to fight this in our local area in the Catskill Mountains NY region. In the process of building Local website at www.catskillgetaway.com , domain previously just used by one owner but redesigned now for owners to join and list their place. It will be only used as an advertisement venue and all the communication will happen directly between guests and owners either via email, phone or through dashboard on website. We won't be processing payments, it's too much to deal with but it should help people go back to the basics and direct communication with guests. I hope it will help. Crossing fingers! :-)
Ella

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BlueMtnCabins
May 15, 2017 10:54 AM
Joined Jun, 2016 1185 posts

Alan Egan posted his after that fella Remy (I mentioned) reported what HA (or its European version) did in response to Remy's attempt to lower his rate. I saw other owners reported jumping service fee when they sent quotes to different travelers for the same number of same priced days. But those differences were within $10-15 ( like fee going from $110 to $125 or so) but this is over the top.
One of my listings ( 4 bd) is expiring in July. I have not had an inquiry or booking via VRBO in a long time and only 2 bookings outstanding going forward (they explain this by my property being booked so well via other sources). So yes, I am seriously thinking of NOT paying for renewal. I mean, Tripadvisor and Airbnb subject owners to similar tactics, but at least they do not expect owners to PAY subscription fee for such abuse. HA does. I have TA sub (formerly VHR) and so far since i PAID for the sub, they do not meddle in my business (but traffic is very slow).
this EXPE head is way brazen. I do not think lawsuit will help because Vacation rentals are not a big player due to being a fragmented mom and pop operations - they do not have lawyer-power of big hotel chains to fight this. And unless there is a public perception and awareness of this price fixing duopolistic abuse (look at DISH and DIRECTV getting away with basically price fixing - no one is suing them for being duopoply!) , nothing will happen. courts take years - there is Ivan Arnold's class action lawsuit in CA which I do not think anything is happening there ad that was filed in early 2016. They (EXPE) just waiting it out.

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Michelle J
May 15, 2017 10:42 AM
OR Team Member Joined Jan, 2011 582 posts

This is really mind-blowing. I just read a post by Alan Egan (who we love here at OwnerRez) that someone forwarded me. He's dead right - time to leave HomeAway for good. Or at least price your properties so that they are 30-50% higher on those listing sites so that it's worth the BS of having to deal with it. But drive your business outside of HomeAway for good. Really quite astounding how much of a money-grab it is for them at every turn!

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BlueMtnCabins
May 15, 2017 10:37 AM
Joined Jun, 2016 1185 posts

To add, recently the interface to wheelhouse pricing stopped working. Knowing that, I find that "coincidence" highly suspicious. Why? because for owners using wheelhouse, wheelhouse will price one's property to what market will bear. So that will leave no room for HA's own dynamic fee, IMO. So I am thinking that is y there is an "issue" connecting wheelhouse pricing now. I think it is by design.

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BlueMtnCabins
May 15, 2017 9:42 AM
Joined Jun, 2016 1185 posts

Not exactly, but close. It has been reported that they have already removed thr breakdiwn of the fee in their help section. I presume it is because fee is dynamic.
One fella in Fb group just reported that he had a traveler asking for discount. He sent quote discounted by 100 euros but the traveler on their end only saw 50 euro quote reduction - because HA apparently increased relative fee amount on the 2nd quote. Several owners mentioned sending a quote(preapprive) to traveler. Quote expires. Traveler asks yo resend. Owner sends - quote goes up by several $.
Outside of euro example so far most fluctuations are within a few to dozen dollars but the direction yhis is taking is highly troubling. This meand they take complete control of pricing and essentially owner cannot even drop price without them interfering.
On another note, the links to owner sitesare gone from altady-sent email in HA mailbox. Walled garden.

Building Regional Vacation Rental Listing Websites 17 replies

Michelle J
May 15, 2017 9:32 AM
OR Team Member Joined Jan, 2011 582 posts

BlueMtnCabins,

Tell me you're joking!!! I had not read that yet. Do you have have a link or more information you can share about this? HomeAway will increase your rate as high as they want to what they think it should be and just keep the rest? So if an owner put their condo at $50/night - way below market price, to drive in a bunch of good business/review - HomeAway will up that to say $300/night and just keep $250/night difference? If so, wow, that may actually be illegal since they are reselling a product way outside of the limits the producer has set. That's no longer adding a service fee. That's reselling a not-for-resale product at rates the product owner has disallowed. I guess HA is going to keep getting worse and worse until they get sued or owners ban together and room all their product from HA's network.

Building Regional Vacation Rental Listing Websites 17 replies

BlueMtnCabins
May 15, 2017 8:06 AM
Joined Jun, 2016 1185 posts

here is one more reason - dynamic fee. Even if you drop your price HA will up the fee amount to "fill in the gap" to what its algorithm thinks market can bear. Which essentially means owner completely loses control over their pricing. We cannot raise the price (because add on fee makes it overpriced by fee amount) but now we cannot lower our price either (say, to attract traffic) because increased fee will step in . is your blood boiling yet?

Building Regional Vacation Rental Listing Websites 17 replies

jfulciniti
May 11, 2017 8:53 AM
Joined Oct, 2016 29 posts

Here's one more reason to HATE vrbo.

I received a cease and desist notice from homeaway noting I am breaching their terms of service by using "vrbo" in my url while maintaining a listing on vrbo.

I could fight them but the fallout - other owners listing being removed from vrbo would cause too much harm.

We'll just use a different url and continue our quest to become "vrbo independent". It will take some time but they are becoming less and less of a factor for my rentals.

Send trigger emails based on the listing site (eg. sending "Airbnb clean-up" emails) 4 replies

Chris Hynes
May 10, 2017 3:58 PM
OR Team Member Joined Oct, 2012 1404 posts

Thanks for the heads up -- the article template link was grabbing a weird value when you copied and pasted it. The link wasn't going to the {BULEASE} even though the text showed that. I fixed the article and fixed the template for you.

If you want to check where links go in future, you can click on the link in the email template editor and use the chain link button in the toolbar to view a dialog that shows the Url (where the link goes) and Text (what is displayed to the guest), which can be two different values.