Latest Activity...
Hi All,
Just had a new error appear via e-mail.
API page saying error.
Never had it before. Any ideas?
Booking.com content push failed.Relative release time '365D' exceeds max allowed value. This is not the case for room id 8*****1, rate id 2******3 on date '2024-02-28'. Room Id: 8****1 Rate Id: 2******3
3-5 days.
Sorry to hear. What is the general wait time for help? I put in a question this am and have not heard back. Thanks, Rachel
In the screenshot from the rate channel test that I have included below, I am confused on multiple levels, and I'm hoping that someone can explain how this works:
(1) What is the difference between the "live" and "expected" columns?
(2) I have set up two local taxes that are remitted by Airbnb on my behalf; I set them up on advice of the lovely people at OwnerRez. All the line items that show "remitted by Airbnb" were not set up by me, they appear to be system generated. Does this mean I can (or should) delete these taxes for the Airbnb channel?
(3) The tax calculations between what I set up and what Airbnb generated are off by a non-considerable amount ($74.17 vs $78.96). In the documentation it is noted that the taxes could be calculated differently OwnerRez and Airbnb, but that it would be a matter of pennies. In fact, the difference is over 6%, which can add up. I have set the taxes up to be calculated on rent only. Any idea why the tally is off, and what can be done about it? I'd hate to be spending an extra 6% on taxes on all my non-Airbnb bookings.
Thanks in advance for anyone's help.
It is now showing active. Thank you.
When a property goes active on Vrbo, it is generally actually active on Ownerez. However, Vrbo does not sync the visual update of that tag on the API in real time. That tag update lags behind. You should see it update within 24 hours or can check status yourself on that API page:
I just went through the API integration with Vrbo. I have two listings, they are both active on Vrbo but one of them is not active on OwnerRez. I have attempted to sync on several occasions, but the status has not changed. The listing was made live on Vrbo about 20 hours ago.
I'm concerned that I'll get a booking on Vrbo and it won't be reflected on OwnerRez, which would mess with my calendar and leave me open to unintended double bookings.
Here are the listing, first on OwnerRez (inactive), then on Vrbo (active).
Any ideas?
Hi Linh:
You can turn off damage protection for the entire account or exclude certain channels here:
https://app.ownerrez.com/settings/damageprotection
Sure, you can turn it off entirely, just not for individual bookings.
https://www.ownerrez.com/support/articles/damage-protection-overview
If you do have an individual booking for which the coverage is inappropriate, such as a relative staying at your property for free, you can reach out to the Helpdesk, and we can remove that coverage for you.
So I have no way to turn off damange protection?
This is good information. Grateful for your response. Thanks!
Yes, OwnerRez does support Elavon, which is most commonly seen as a Costco member option. See the linked article below. Pay special attention to the very last caveat as that can be an expensive mistake.
If you are using the Costco plan, be sure to have another Costco Elavon user refer you and both get a $100 Costco gift card ~ 90 days after activation and use of your new account.
https://www.ownerrez.com/support/articles/payment-processing-gateways-converge
Thanks so much for your thorough and candid response. I do appreciate that this is a priority for you, and that makes me feel good about being a customer. Given the complexity of the system, it's a commitment and I'm pleased with my choice.
Does OwnerRez accept Elavon as a credit card processing option? I am sure I saw it listed as a payment option when I began my adventure of creating my webpage and do not see it listed now in the set up area...
Thanks for any help you can give.
Rachel
Thanks Miao, that's great information! Not being WordPress guru's myself, I wasn't aware that it was at all common for CSPs to be applied in WordPress, but I did a quick search and found this article, which may be helpful for anyone else who has the same problem:
Posting in case someone else4 experiences it.
My hosting provider, GreenGeeks (love them) tracked it down. It was a reference in Content Security Policy to ownerreservations.com. They replaced all references to secure.ownerreservations.com in your Content-Security-Policy with app.ownerrez.com.
These are all good thoughts! We've been looking at some of them, and I'd like to communicate some of our thinking. Please don't in any way take this as promises, the last word, or pushback - just thoughts from ongoing discussions as we seek to improve.
The vast majority of your support questions are probably either (1) from new users
A fair number, yes, but, last year we added the free Jumpstart call that is offered to all new clients. This certainly does require support resources, but, it's proved to vastly diminish the routine new-client questions we used to get, as well as getting new clients up and running faster. Naturally, new clients still do request many tickets, but they're no longer mainly routine, as discussed next.
or (2) questions that lots of people have.
That used to be true, but these days is much less so, because the overwhelming majority of common questions are found in our support docs. Most of our clients want answers NOW, and if a quick search of the doc gets them that answer, it's faster than any support ever could be. We routinely see whole categories of question vanish when a support doc is added or extensively updated - an ongoing effort where, yes, there is much more to be done, but they've come a long way.
You're no doubt familiar with the concept of macros, canned responses, and support scripts that are used for common support-ticket questions. While we do have such things, there are very few of them that are useful for providing actual answers, because nearly all of our tickets are slightly unique and require actual research and consideration.
Can you train people more quickly on those questions and throw them into the fray
Even an apparently simple question can often contain hidden and non-obvious complexities, a very common example being "Why was this booking charged X?" There are so many factors that go into it that what seems like a simple calculator-question not uncommonly ends up with the engineers digging in the code, and a doc update to cover an obscure corner case with some particular channel. Therefore, we have to do thorough training on topics; newer staff answer tickets that appear to fall into a topic they've been trained on, and pass over tickets on other topics for more senior staff.
I was introduced to OwnerRez by a guy on Fiverr
I'm not super familiar with Fiverr myself, but I'll take a look. However, I do understand your point. The Unofficial OwnerRez Facebook Page is a similar great resource for expert advice, and we know of other knowledgeable OwnerRez assistance provided via TaskRabbit. In fact, we've hired staff discovered in both places. :-)
We've long thought about an OwnerRez training credentialing program, something like MSCE certification, or as you note, Intuit. There's a lot of steps to get there, but it would absolutely be valuable to have a list of known, trusted, independent experts we could recommend. If we put our name on something, though, we want to make sure we can guarantee the quality and performance.
You can tell people where they are in the queue.
Well, this kind of harks back to your point about putting newer staff on easier questions. We do this to some extent - at a certain level of training, when they've proved competent in some areas but not yet others, they can seek out tickets in the queue that are within specified parameters and answer them. But this necessarily means that where you are "in line" doesn't automatically speak to when you'll get an answer, because you might be skipped over by an agent that's not yet trained to be able to handle what you asked.
I wasn't aware at all that you could actually get a phone call with someone.
Generally, we encourage emails, because those will nearly always get a faster response - our calls are scheduled in advance. If you ask for one, you'll get one, but it may be a few days. This scheduling is done via the ticket system though, not a standalone scheduling page.
For burning questions, either a per-call fee.
This is a regular topic of discussion. Without going into details, we believe that, if we promise to provide something for a special fee, we owe it to our clients to do it well. So if we are going to offer paid priority phone support, it better be top-quality (which means only highly experienced and knowledgeable staff) and it better be available promptly (which means we'd better have plenty of staff to meet the demand).
While we seek to provide fast excellent service, I would rather provide excellent service that is slower than we'd like, as opposed to fast service that's not very accurate or thorough. That said, recent delays will not remain as they have been.
Thank you!! That worked!! I appreciate your time.
Hi Jen:
If there are messages associated with the trigger, you won't be able to delete the trigger. Instead, you can disable the trigger by going in to the trigger and scrolling all the way to the bottom of the screen. You'll see a Status Enabled checkbox. If you uncheck the box, the trigger will be disabled and won't show up by default in the listing of all active triggers.
P.S. I found that URL by googling "careers at ownerrez" or similar.
You don't seem defensive at all, just overwhelmed. I appreciate that you are taking your time to train additional support people well; throwing warm bodies at scaling problems is a sure path to customer dissatisfaction. I also understand that it takes a while to train someone. I have watched about 75% of your videos (very helpful), and most of your help pages (also helpful), and it's clearly a complex system dealing with a complex set of variables, most of which don't even apply to me or, I suspect, to any other individual user.
While don't have a solution for you except to do more of what you're doing (hiring and training support personnel), I can see a things that you might want to think about:
- The vast majority of your support questions are probably either (1) from new users or (2) questions that lots of people have. Can you train people more quickly on those questions and throw them into the fray, then if the question isn't a common one, have a more expert person pick it up? You are probably already be doing this, but in case you are not it might be an avenue to explore.
- I was introduced to OwnerRez by a guy on Fiverr when I was trying to decide which channel manager to use. There are a bunch of these guys on Fiverr. I can't tell you what the other ones are like, but the guy I worked with knew OwnerRez extremely well, how it compares to your competitors, and how it works with other software (e.g, pricing engines). He was well aware of all the configurations and how they worked in practice. Maybe you can reach out to some of them (I'm sure they exist on other freelancer sites too) to do tutorials and answer questions for a discounted fee, and you guys make up the difference. Since my guy was $50/hr, if you paid him $25, leaving the customer to pay $25, that would be a sweet deal for the consumer, and cost you a lot less than hiring new people. This would work well especially with new users. You know what a support call costs, so you can do the math. There may be other hidden experts out there who can help -- possibly some of your advanced users with a philanthropic bent, or who themselves want to make a little money by helping out your clients. While I don't want to say Intuit is at all a company you want to emulate, one of their successful (in my opinion) initiatives was to expose their users qualified consultants. You can certify them if you want by giving them a test.
- You can tell people where they are in the queue. Like a progress bar on a slow download, it doesn't speed things up, but it's great to know when you are likely to get an answer, so you can bookmark it in your mind and move on to other things. Place in line, estimated time to an answer, all of these things let you customer know that although you are behind you are working on it and you'll get to them, and give them the time of an expected answer. This will calm everyone down and it will also make your issues transparent to your user base. Is that a good thing? It is when your customers are pulling for you, which your customers evidently are. If you're circling the drain I wouldn't recommend this, but I don't think you are.
- I wasn't aware at all that you could actually get a phone call with someone. When I called in, I got a message saying to leave a message, and someone would get back to me. I thought it was going to be answered by an email, and since I'd already sent in an email, I hung up. You might want to make it clearer that someone can get a real phone call if they leave a message. And if you are doing phone calls, why can't I schedule one from the OwnerRez site?
- For burning questions, either a per-call fee. Everyone I know hates these things until they really need help, then $50 seems like nothing. Every single one of the issues I've had so far (except one), were my fault. I misconfigured something, I misunderstood something, I left something out. Every time the solution was pretty easy once I "got it." I suspect that this will be the case with most people. If I had had the opportunity to pay $50 for 15 minutes of someone's time, or even $100 for 1/2 hour, I would have done it, because my mistakes with OwnerRez cost me at least $500 due to an error with my discounts. Many things can wait, but some things can't, and people are willing to pay, on a purely rational basis, for quick solutions. I would have.
I hope you don't take what I'm saying as aggressive or that I'm unhappy, because I'm not. I have lucked out to find a fast, scaleable solution backed by people who obviously care. That's absolute gold in a world of shoddy companies cutting as many corners as they can in their quest to increase users so as to sell themselves to the bigger fishes. I'm merely making some suggestions about how to handle growth.
Thank you so much! How can you delete a template? I keep getting a message saying it cannot be deleted.
@Undercard_Wonder:
We're not happy with our response times either, believe me. We are burning a lot of calories on it - both in handling response the best way we can, and figuring out how to do it better. It is hard to be fast and thorough at the same time. Because OwnerRez is a complex system, it can take months to get new people up to speed. But the burden of it - getting better - continues to weigh on us.
Most DMVs and county permitting offices have a narrow category of questions they answer from thousands of people. Many people call, but the answers tend to be the same kind of things. Here at OwnerRez, the questions are wide and complicated. We have 8 verticals - channels, websites, accounting, PM, etc - and each of those have many settings and scenarios.
In recent days, our CS department has hired 3 more people and moved an additional person, internally, over to Helpdesk. The 3 people won't all be responding to tickets, but they will help alleviate the burden in other areas. New people take training, but we have some already-OR-users coming on board. We have had some CS personnel get up to speed in a month or two, but others can take 6 months to get up to meaningful velocity.
A couple of clarifications...
The link you referenced is a test environment, so I'm not sure how you got that. This is the live careers page:
https://www.ownerrez.com/careers
The only open position now is Mockup Artist which is something for the Product team. As I said the other 3 positions for CS were already filled, and we wrapped that up in just the past few days.
Our Engagement team is not a sales or demo position. It's a phone/video team that handles support issues live with customers. If you send a ticket into Helpdesk, asking for a phone call, the Engagement team is who you will talk to. They handle hundreds of support calls every month in addition to their other duties.
I hope this response doesn't come off as defensive. You are correct - having a 3-4 day response time is completely unacceptable to us too. Just trying to offer some transparency with where we are on this side. As I write this, we have had a number of meetings about some large changes in our overall process and ways we are going to break the back of it.
Hi Valerie!
You'll want to make sure you have added the expectation of signing a Renter Agreement and the security deposit (hold or refundable) in your House Rules in the Airbnb API. This is how your guests will be made aware of the expectation. If you have these in your House Rules section, Airbnb will also be able to back you up on these expectations.
Because Airbnb stopped sending guest email addresses as of September 1, you'll need to make sure you have a channel template and associated trigger to send to the guest through the Airbnb messaging system. This is how you will collect their contact information, credit card information, and signature for the Renter Agreement. We have a great support article that outlines the steps to create this channel template and trigger if you don't already have one.
On the Templates or Triggers settings page, you'll see a checkbox next to each template or trigger. When you check the template or trigger you want to delete, you will see a Delete button appear at the top. Just click that Delete button.
If there are messages associated with the trigger, you won't be able to delete the trigger. Instead, you can disable the trigger by going in to the trigger and scrolling all the way to the bottom of the screen. You'll see a Status Enabled checkbox. If you uncheck the box, the trigger will be disabled and won't show up by default in the listing of all active triggers.
Thanks, I did clear cache in WordPress and changed the address in the widget code to https://app.ownerrez.com/widget.js, but it still isn't working. Someone suggested possibly a firewall issue with WordFence, but I changed that to learning mode and whitelisted the IPS for ownerrez.com, but that didn't change the result either.
We've had similar reports recently, and the fix seems to be going into the website or hosting account to "clear cache". This is not the same as clearing your computer or browser cache.
Here's a great reference article that I found that may be of use to you - https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/wordpress/clear-wordpress-cacheSome users have also reported changing the address in the widget code from OwnerReservations.com to OwnerRez.com.
We've had similar reports recently, and the fix seems to be going into the website or hosting account to "clear cache". This is not the same as clearing your computer or browser cache.
Here's a great reference article that I found that may be of use to you - https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/wordpress/clear-wordpress-cache
Some users have also reported changing the address in the widget code from OwnerReservations.com to OwnerRez.com.
I have a Wordpress site using the calendar widget in a shortcode.
Suddenly, the page it is on is now showing "This content is blocked. Contact the site owner to fix the issue."
The code is listed below with the ids removed
<!-- MultiMonthplusRates -->
<!-- OwnerRez Multiple Month Calendar widget-->
<div class="ownerrez-widget" data-propertyId="{remove}" data-widget-type="MultiMonthplusRates - Multiple Month Calendar" data-widgetId="{removed""></div>
<script src="https://app.ownerrez.com/widget.js"></script>
Agree on response time. It use to be same day or next day. Now waiting 3-5 days for a response and then when you reply it’s another 3-5 day before they reply again. Drags issues out forever. Ken was great at responding ASAP. Definitely miss that.
I'm a new user who has put questions to support on four or five occasions now.
The good: the responses are intelligent and helpful
The bad: I'm waiting close to a week for a response, and I have had two problems that materially affected my business.
That's way too long. Even with my horrible county building permit department I can get on the phone and wait two hours if I really have something urgent. Even at the DMV I can get something done in one day.
I'm concerned when I hear that you are rapidly adding staff to answer support questions, because at...
[Link Redacted for security]
... you don't seem to hiring support personnel, only a sales and demo position.
The weak support response is the only real weak point I see. But it's a really big one.